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Each answer on this page is the personal
opinion of the author named and not necessarily of Federal Union.
1. Would you
please be able to tell me any statistics concerning the number of
people or the percentage of people in the UK who are for a federal
union, a United States of Europe?
These questions were asked in the Autumn 2001
Eurobarometer, the regular measurement of public opinion by the
European Commission. The answers for the UK and for the EU as a
whole were as follows:
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UK
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EU15
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| Membership a good thing |
33%
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54%
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| Benefit from membership |
36%
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52%
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| Trust in the European Commission |
35%
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50%
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| Support for the euro |
27%
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61%
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| Support for a common foreign
policy |
40%
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66%
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| Support for a common defence/security
policy |
53%
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73%
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| Support for enlargement |
41%
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51%
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| Support for EU constitution |
58%
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67%
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The UK figures are consistently lower than those
of the EU as a whole but the pattern is identical. There is more
support for an EU constitution than there is for the EU as it is
now. The public concern about the EU is because it is not democratic
enough. Note also that the percentages in favour of common foreign
and defence policies are greater than those in favour of the EU
as it is now. It is a myth that the British people are fundamentally
opposed to a federal Europe: it is also a myth that it will be easy
to convince them to vote for one. (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
2. Why do you think
that a federal union is evolving?
Because it is increasingly apparent that there
are political issues that need to be dealt with at the European
level and that the collaboration of national governments is neither
effective nor democratic enough. The factors that drive this are
economic, technological, environmental, social, all kinds.
A further point is that not only is it necessary
but also it is possible. The old system of national sovereign states
relied for its legitimacy not only the sense that it worked but
also that it was the only option. Political power had to be vested
somewhere out of reach of the ordinary citizen in order to sustain
the myth of nationhood: real people don't divide up neatly into
nations. One of the consequences of the rise of democratic ideas
has been the realisation that power does not have to be out of reach
of the citizen, in fact quite the opposite. The readiness to challenge
traditional ideas of sovereignty and hierarchy in society has also
been an important factor.
Let me add a third point: our European federation
is not evolving, it is developing. Evolution is a random process.
The development of the European Union is not random, it is guided.
It has happened because far-sighted and energetic politicians have
understood the increasing failure of the national state and have
also understood how to build something better. Jean Monnet described
the task as being "to make a breach in the ramparts of national
sovereignty which will be narrow enough to secure consent, but deep
enough to open the way towards the unity that is essential to peace."
It is not a matter of chance that we live in an
era of unprecedented political freedom in Europe, it is a matter
of Monnet and Spinelli (and many others). (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
3. When do you see
there being an actual United States of Europe: 10 years, 50 years,
100 years?
What do you mean by an "actual United
States of Europe"? With that name? Never. With a democratic
federal government both authorised to act and limited in its powers
by a written constitution? Let's wait and see what the convention
proposes. If the crucial test is that of a monopoly of the use of
force, then your question is really asking when there might be a
European army worth the name. The development of a European army
needs two things: the initial impulse to get the process started,
and the realisation that it is indeed a process and not a simple
task. I think the Iraq crisis may turn out to be the first of those
things. (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
4. What will be the
benefits of such a union?
A meeting of the Council of Federal Union
on 4 October 1939 agreed a set of aims, such that federalism would
lead to "the prevention of war, the creation of prosperity
and the preservation and promotion of individual liberty".
I am not sure I have anything to add to that. (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
5. Why in your view
is the British government so set against a federal union?
Let me suggest two reasons: our history, and our
political practice. The two are obviously linked, but they need
to be considered separately.
The British do not have the same conception of
invasion and occupation as many other European countries. (We have
in fact been invaded and occupied more times than most history books
present - by the Dutch in 1688 for example - but as long as nobody
knows about it, it does not matter.) We industrialised earlier,
and pioneered many of the inventions of the modern world. We feel
different But the political point is that it does not matter now,
of course. The point of a federal Europe is to make for a better
future, not to preserve the past, and from now on the needs of the
UK are the same as the rest of Europe. The fact that our history
is different may make it harder to persuade public opinion, but
it does not make British membership of a federal Europe any less
necessary.
Secondly, there is our political practice.
Parliament is sovereign. We are told this solemnly by people such
as Tony Benn, as if we should be pleased about it. In the seventeenth
century, at the time of the civil war, the sovereignty of parliament
was certainly an improvement on the sovereignty of the monarch:
we were one of the first countries in the world to adopt this idea.
But since then, political thought has moved on. The idea of popular
sovereignty - that the citizens are sovereign - has taken root (read
the American Declaration of Independence) around the world, except
in the UK. For us, parliament is still sovereign. That has given
us a centralised domestic constitution, the royal prerogative, and
too much reluctance in the face of European federalism.
(Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
6. What will be
the impact on such a union if the current war continues, especially
as the relationship between the UK and the EU is diminishing every
day - especially with France - whilst the UK's relationship with
the US is increasing?
Don't get too hung up on the current war: it is
coming to end on my TV as I write this. There is a profound problem,
though, to the extent that the UK sees its interests as linked with
the Americans rather than the Europeans. To some extent, we do not
need to choose: we share the same values. But the principles we
seek to apply in the world are different, I think. Go back to the
Declaration of Independence: is that the way the US government views
the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, the Kyoto
treaty? No, the Americans have become wrapped up in an idea of national
sovereignty - what started out as federalism has turned into nationalism
with a federal system of domestic government. The Europeans, and
especially the British, need to think whether another country's
nationalism is their own best policy.
Another factor to consider is the impact
that enlargement might have on the foreign policy of the European
Union. Many of the new member states due to join in 2004 have shown
rather more sympathy with American policies than the existing ones,
and are increasingly confident about expressing this fact. (Jacques
Chirac's criticism of thisThe foreign policy divide between the
UK and the rest of the EU might narrow because the EU moves towards
the UK, not the other way round. (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
7. Is it possible
that a United States of Europe will form without the UK involved?
It could happen. Now is perhaps the wrong
moment to have to write a dissertation on the subject, with the
European Constitutional Convention due to report in three months'
time, but I do not know how happy your professors will be with such
an answer. The other member states of the EU would certainly prefer
the UK to be a full partner in the process of European integration
and the development of a federal Europe, but the British people
would be fooling themselves if they thought that this amounted to
a veto. It has been proven before that the rest of Europe can create
something worthwhile even without the participation of the British:
they will be ready to do so again. Whether it will be necessary
for them to do so remains to be seen: perhaps the British can bring
themselves to accept the proposals from the Convention. Whether
or not they can is probably the next big fight for the pro-European
political movement in Britain. Whether or not New Labour is part
of that movement is a question still to be answered. Peter Hain
has declared so many proposals to be anathema that he may have difficulty
in supporting the final outcome. Let us hope he can swallow his
pride. (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
8. If there is a
United States of Europe without Britain, what form will take? Will
it be like the US model, the Russian, or the German? Or will there
be a completely new model of the type yet to been seen?
A European federation will certainly be unlike
anything seen before. As society changes, political institutions
must also change, so there is no possibility of replicating precisely
any existing federal system. Nevertheless there are ideas and examples
that can be taken from the diverse experience of federal government
around the world and I suspect that, of the three examples you have
quoted, we will end up with something more similar to the German
model that to either of the other two. The basic principles of democracy
and subsidiarity will live on, but the feature that distinguishes
the German system is the role of political parties. In Russia and
the United States, these have a very different function. In Europe,
however, they are much more solidly entrenched than in Russia, are
much more ideological than in the United States, and are linked
from one country to another. There is such a thing as the Party
of European Socialists, the European People's Party, the European
Liberal Democratic Reform party, etc. They are the basis on which
the European Parliament functions today.
The system is not perfect - it does not
link up every party in every member state - nor does it yet matter
enough in the overall process of European politics - party labels
need to count for more in the choice of the president of the European
Commission. Nevertheless, that is the direction in which the EU
is going. (Richard
Laming, 11/04/03)
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